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Topic: Cox Cable Woes

 
davidtanny   Offline  -  Artist & D.J.  -  05-01-09 12:00 AM  -  15 years ago
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Now, what drives me up the wall is that in this day and age, we have an antiquated cable company
that's built with the foundation of legacy analog cable with digital thrown on top instead
of a cable company that's bascially digital, yet compatable with all of the TV and VCRs that
have QAM tuning.


Case in point: Cox Communications. I bought an ATSC/QAM TV last year. I hooked it up to Cox
directly and got all of the analog cable channels plus a dozen digital TV channels, all of it
either local or cable-only, plus a dozen local FM channels.


What's confusing is that in order to access the in-the-clear digital channels, you literally
have to hunt and peck around the digital tuner after it scanned the cable looking for presets until
you find some of the obscure channels like a 24-hour channel 10 news or something that looks like
a shopping channel, which I don't care about.


You have to, say, tune in something like 90.14 to get the 24-hour channel 10 news. For some of the FM
channels, you have to tune until you fund some of them at the channels of 82.xx or whatever.


You get all of the channels in the so-called Limited and Expanded Basic services in analog.
What's not fair is that you have to pay $10 a month extra plus $5 a month for a cable box rental to get all of
the ones you're subscribing to in digital, or $6 a month for an HDTV cable box so you can get
most of them in HDTV. That's just so you can get all of the same channels in standard and high definition
as digital signals. HD service is free for the basic channels you're paying for from Limited and Expanded Basic
servies. Does this sound confusing? Sure does.


Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that Cox should give us all of the Limited and Expanded Basic channels
in standard or high definition without the need for a converter box if we're already paying for them
in analog form. Why do we need to pay $15 or $16 extra a month to view the same channels we're already paying
a whopping $49 a month for?


Cox offers digital tiers for $3 a month. Up until now, you had to pay $3 a month per digital tier package for additional
TV sets in your home.


I received this flyer from Cox just this past week. It's titled "Welcome Home...To The Great Indoors."


It says that you can add Cox Digital Cable programming to additional TV sets in your home for free.
This is not an introductory rate.


I'm saying, OK, since I WAS (more on that later) paying $9.99 for four digital tier packages
for one TV, plus another $9.99 for the same number for a second TV, I figured that I could
call up the Cox cable rep and ask them if this meant that I would no longer pay $9.99 for
the digital tier packages for the second TV set, right?


This is what I got. After I called 619-262-1122 for customer service, I had to explain to about five
different representatives about the flyer and what I was trying to do, which was to simply pay
$10 less a month for my then-current lineup of services I was paying for.


After all of the runaround, the last rep that I got told me that it would be free on a third
TV set in my house, but I would still pay $10 a month each for the digital packages
for the two TV sets in the house. Huh? They're saying that I can't qualify for the deal even though
their company has changed their rates for digital cable service for additional (second, third, fourth,
etc.) TV sets to $0, while you pay for the digital cable service for the first TV.


So, I'm reading on the flyer, and at the bottom, it says to add Cox Digital Cable to additional
TV sets for Free. Cost of rental boxes are still required, though I wish Cox would find a way
to get around the requirement for renting their converter boxes in order to receive digital services.


To pay $9.99 a month for the digital cable services for the first TV is fair. To charge $0 for
the second, third, fourth, and more TVs in the house is something that should be automatically
applied to all of their existing customers who already pay for digital cable services on additional
TV sets. I say horray for the change, but boo to Cox for not extending the change of rates
to their existing customers like myself.


Here's what I did. I unplugged the two cable converter boxes I was renting. Packed them up in the box
along with the remote, AC cords, and other accessories. I took them down to the Cox Customer building along
Federal and Euclid. I asked the rep to downgrade my services. He took back the cable eqipment that I was
renting, which was $11 a month, and now that's gone. The $20 a month I was paying for digital cable service on two of the three
TV sets was gone. I also asked the cable rep to downgrade my cable modem speed to a lower
priced package, which he did, for a lower price, about $10 lower.
Because of that, I no longer qualify for the $10 discount because I no longer subscribe to digital cable.


Anyway, that's my story on why cable monopolies continue to suck. I won't go to AT&T because I'm guessing
that their cable service is incompatable with my analog VCRs, which I still use today, as I can't
find a digital VCR replacement in the local stores.


The horrors of converting from analog to digital TV continue on with confusing equipment that's
hard to learn and use. Can't anybody make it simple for us to enjoy digital services like we still
do with analog cable services?


Member Comments:

Bob Guest   Offline  -  Artist  -  05-01-09 07:05 PM  -  15 years ago
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I do that too.
Tim P. Ryan   Offline  -  Participant, MP3  -  05-01-09 02:30 PM  -  15 years ago
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At $51 a month, consider dropping that and buying a series you want to see DVD set each month.

Bob Guest:
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Lower signal quality does not translate into better prices either. Basic (non digital) cable still starts at 27.99 a month. Digital starts at 50.99 a month. And it all goes up from there, because the basic services rarely have channels that carry the shows you really want to watch.
Bob Guest   Offline  -  Artist  -  05-01-09 09:03 AM  -  15 years ago
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You don't know how good you have it.....

When I left the Toronto (Ontario) area last year and moved to Sarnia, the first thing I noticed was the reduced quality of the TV signal. I had to leave Rogers cable (which stays up to date with the latest digital technology) and subscribe to Cogeco cable (which still relies on stone knives and bearskins). I can (and do) get a better quality picture by pulling out my old VHS tapes, recorded from a Rogers signal. (Yes, I am on Cogeco digital... and there is no offering of a higher bitrate to the signal... and if there is it's not apparent on their website.)

Lower signal quality does not translate into better prices either. Basic (non digital) cable still starts at 27.99 a month. Digital starts at 50.99 a month. And it all goes up from there, because the basic services rarely have channels that carry the shows you really want to watch. (As if viewing a low quality, pixilated screen can count as watching TV... as opposed to hurling curses at it.)

I'd give my right arm to talk to a Filipino customer rep.... Up here all we get is East Indian and Pakistani reps who haven't quite mastered the language and recite it faster than anyone can listen.... and after confusing you with their mile a minute gibberish, they always end with, "Tank you veddy mush for choosing Cogeeco".... as if I actually had a choice. And when they're done they dance up and down on your grave singing, "Glory Hallelujah".
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  05-01-09 12:46 AM  -  15 years ago
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Silly rabbit. Tricks are for cable companies. You actually think they want you to understand their convoluted rate system. Comprehension is unnecessary. Their billing structure is set up to screw you out of the maximum possible amount of cash. That's what my company does. Why? Because it isn't regulated anymore. That's why.

I find it amusing that you actually have a choice between Cox and AT&T. No such choice exists here. It's either cable or satellite and that's it. And they both suck.

Here's a radical bit of advice. Last fall at 3 am or so which is when I choose to do these things, I talked to a representative who (hallelujah!) wasn't from the Philippines. Of course that was last year. They pretty much all are now and you can't understand a damn thing they're saying and worse, they have very little grasp of what they're doing or even what business they're representing. Are your customer reps Filipino? No? Consider yourself fortunate.

This guy I talked to said the company (Charter) greatly feared losing cash cow customers who pay big monthly fees to their competition and if you possess the time, the gall and the balls to shout & bitch and complain at them (I do- as the song says, I've got nothing to do and all day to do it), they themselves are authorized to allow big discounts in the rates in order to keep you paying. Gonna repeat that...

They will find excuses to give you large discounts in your monthly service if you rant at them long enough and threaten to go over to their competition!

I've been using this trick for years. Why should I pay $180 a month for the whole ball of wax when I can get in a good therapeutic shout and get them to knock 80 of that 180 off if I'm tenacious enough? I've got time; let's see who cracks first.

Granted, this plan isn't for everybody. You've got to have an instinctive feel for it that not everyone has. We crusty, bastardly types were made for this sort of thing. Not everyone is.

Just saying...

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