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Topic: bLaCk HUMOR (How Far Can One Go?...)
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Started by: Shmooly
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Not really. 'Cause,"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. In fact, it's cold as hell." You'd freeze your rubber hamsters out there. And your BBL.
--- Shmooly
If we did manage to do that, would we be living in heaven?
--- Loop
The way I look at it, If you cannot take the funny, , ,Get the Hell out of the world.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d
If we did manage to do that, would we be living in heaven?
--- Loop
The way I look at it, If you cannot take the funny, , ,Get the Hell out of the world.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Sometimes, I think, something (like OJ, or politics, or 911, etc) has us so upset, we have to make a joke (or a funny song) about it, just to soften the blow. We don't want to get too tragic about it though cause tragic is never funny.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I think this is the whole point of the debate, define what is meant by funny, (the meaning of the word, not saying that this or that is funny).
Take for example, Funniest Home Videos.
To me, only, say, 1% is funny, 5% may be humorous, the rest are so predictable that it take the humor out of it.
I prefer intellectual humor.
Alex
--- Loop
The way I look at it, If you cannot take the funny, , ,Get the Hell out of the world.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Bob Rivers did a few parody songs about OJ. I even heard them on commercial radio back in the 90's.
"I'm getting tired of this crap. Another day of this courtroom BS!"
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d
--- Sick Puppy
Pointing that suggestion into something that's already been done, Ogden Edsl's Kinko The Clown was based on the case of John Wayne Gacy. Sure dementia has a dark side, but I wouldn't want to go there often.
I didn't know that.
Terri M.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Pointing that suggestion into something that's already been done, Ogden Edsl's Kinko The Clown was based on the case of John Wayne Gacy. Sure dementia has a dark side, but I wouldn't want to go there often. I don't know if I'd even want to try and write something about O.J., but I can think of some inventive situations involving Osama Bin Laden, a tub of Vasaline and a cattle prod.
--- Shmooly
Ok so if someone does a totally dEmEnTeD song about OJ Simpson slashing his wife up and it's absolutely funny because, it's a parody and it's clever, do we say it's ok even though I'm sure her folks wouldn't think so?
JUST TOSSING A MONKEY INTO THE WRENCH.......
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d
Ok so if someone does a totally dEmEnTeD song about OJ Simpson slashing his wife up and it's absolutely funny because, it's a parody and it's clever, do we say it's ok even though I'm sure her folks wouldn't think so?
JUST TOSSING A MONKEY INTO THE WRENCH.......
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d The way I look at it, If you cannot take the funny, , ,Get the Hell out of the world.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d We have a controversy in Australia at the moment regarding how far one can go in the name of humor.
A group calling themselves The Chasers, have been getting themselves into trouble on a regular basis.
Think back a few months to the World Leaders meeting in Sydney when a group bypassed security in a fake motorcade with one dressed as Osama.
This same group has been causing havoc since with various stunts in the name of comedy.
Gatecrashing home auctions to have a party in a persons private home.
Breaking into public and private businesses to humiliate the owners with childish stunts.
Pursuing delivery trucks resulting in the pursued driver acting dangerously in an effort to evade these idiots.
Stripping off naked in a department store to try out their beds.
All of this is regarded by The Chasers as harmless fun, but not to the victim of the stunts.
I have watched the show and find nothing funny in their antics,
Alex
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d And of course, you can delve into sub-genres of -Dementia. Such as Necro- (geared towards hard-core slasher film horror fans), or Fetish- (geared towards the BDSM crowd).
What would be humorous to such sub-cultures of course, would not fly with the family values people, so as with any other art form, the creator has to keep her or his target audience in mind.
--- Shmooly
For various reasons I have developed a certain level of sarcasm and black humor in particular areas and subject matter. How far is one allowed to go with this when writing and performing a demented song. It seems that our music genera (Dementia) lends it self to "stretching" the envelope ...
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d To clarify my post below, the thread started out as what is acceptable in COMEDY. The miniseries is definitely NOT comedy, but rather a docudrama about real, tragic events (although not a "classic" tragedy in the Shakespearean sense). I do NOT think the fictional guard's comment is funny, and it certainly was not intended to be taken that way by the show's creators. However, having seen the show almost 30 years ago, this is the scene that sticks in my head.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Regarding how it's considered funny when people get hurt, here's an extreme example. NBC's 1970's Holocaust miniseries portrayed the Nazi concentration camp guards' sense of humor thusly: In a scene set immediately outside the gas chamber, the guards turned the gas on. From within came the sound of wailing from the dying inmates. The guards laughed and one remarked: "It sounds like a synagogue!"
Ironically, this miniseries was controversial because of "nudity" in the portrayal of heaps of naked rotting corpses.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d It's not always true that "if nobody gets hurt it's not funny." Some humor is more cerebral than that -- Woody Allen's routines about existentialism, for instance, or knock-knock jokes and puns. Nobody gets hurt with those, unless they hurt themselves groaning.
As I've gotten older I've tended to try to steer my humor more toward self-deprecation than toward jokes at the expense of others. Sure there are exceptions -- politicians are always great fodder for jokes, for instance -- but if I make fun of myself I'm not likely to hurt my own feelings.
--- Dang
If nobody gets hurt, it's not funny. To be a
comedian, you just have to make sure your
audience is not in the group getting hurt.
Laughing is a defense response to
the unexpected. The class clown makes
people laugh to keep them on the defensive,
thus providing a layer of protection
from himself/herself.
--dang
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Words are only sounds and they only have what power we give them over us. If I say "Blounx" and you choose to be offended by it, that is your choice, your responsibility. And if you do, then you have given that word power over you.
Now I'll grant you, "Blounx" isn't all that funny all by itself, but if I said "yo mamma had a blounx last night!" it becomes screamingly funny!
...or do I just need another cup of coffee this morning...?
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d This depends entirely on how funny it is.
If it is FUNNY you can say ANYTHING. If it is not funny then you had better make sure it is not hurtful. This goes for EVERYTHING.
My faverit example of black humor gone right and wrong is the Hue Hefner roast . Ice-T went up and was not funny at all. Then Gilbert Gottfried got up and redid his act and I giggled my ass off.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I agree with you in part. It's true that in contemporary humour people do get hurt.... It's what the audience expects. Joking about what we fear or worry about (or have no control over) is another aspect where people don't necessarily get hurt in the same sense. There's also potential for a good joke in the unexpected, which again doesn't have to involve getting hurt. It just often does.
--- Dang
If nobody gets hurt, it's not funny. To be a
comedian, you just have to make sure your
audience is not in the group getting hurt.
Laughing is a defense response to
the unexpected. The class clown makes
people laugh to keep them on the defensive.
--dang
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d If nobody gets hurt, it's not funny. To be a
comedian, you just have to make sure your
audience is not in the group getting hurt.
Laughing is a defense response to
the unexpected. The class clown makes
people laugh to keep them on the defensive,
thus providing a layer of protection
from himself/herself.
--dang
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d It's a constant balancing act. As for me, I try to stretch the boundaries while being somewhat subtle. That way no one really notices until later. Nothing better in my book than a good, sneaky "Gotcha!"
I'd prefer that my music gets under the skin, rather than just knocking someone upside the head like a broadsword. Being stealthy takes a lot more work, but I think it's worth it.
And it makes me use my brain more, thus hopefully staving off early onset Alzheimer's.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I've heard many stand up comics push the envelope, mostly for the shock value. Far more than I've noticed in musical comedy. Of course there are exceptions, but I think if you want to appeal to a larger audience you need to keep an eye on your content. Certainly need to observe broadcasting standards if you want to get any airplay.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I would vote for Rudy Ray Moore... or maybe he is more of a Black poet than a comic, but his stuff IS funny. (and nasty!)
Yes, Rudy Ray Moore, that cat's out-a-site!
he's the bad mutha***ka they call Dolemite!
www.dolemite.com/
--- fm123
I always though "Black Humor" was stand up comics such as Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Redd Foxx, etc.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Ok, now we're getting somehere.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I always though "Black Humor" was stand up comics such as Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Redd Foxx, etc.
Well, what do I know? I'm a white and nerdy chicken who likes to cluck around and fight with rubber hamsters and asphalt aardvarks.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Well, one successful example I can think of is Julie Brown's very dark "The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun."
Weird Al's "Christmas at Ground Zero" would probably cause a huge riot if it was released today.
Hard 'n Phirm's "She Named the Pony Jesus" is pretty dark, mocking Christianity while singing about a paralyzed girl with all sorts of other medical problems in such a matter-of-fact way, and then having the pony stomp the crap out of her at the end of the song, after receiving it as an Easter present.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d For various reasons I have developed a certain level of sarcasm and black humor in particular areas and subject matter. How far is one allowed to go with this when writing and performing a demented song. It seems that our music genera (Dementia) lends it self to "stretching" the envelope ...
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