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Topic: How much Would You Pay For Dr. Demento On MP3
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Started by: ToasterBoy
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d "Free" is a very good price, but like D.T. mentioned, it doesn't make sense. What it does make is dollars!
Here's my two cents on this topic:
 
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Let's see- looking at my Winamp Shoutcast comedy listing, it appears the net is lousy with free comedy streams.
And there's this pirate guy who has a 2 hour 'mad' music podcast that doesn't cost anything, either. His site hosts other free 'casts too, apparently.
And then there's this 'fump' thing I've heard of. They give away the stuff there and sell a better download for a buck if you like it. There's an idea! Certainly better than destroying your own show (and reputation) on the net to corner your show's market there and then selling an unreliable crap stream, only improving things after enough complaints. That plan sounds, well, demented.
I'm not going to buy that when there's all this free stuff about.
Barry needs to adopt a plan that works. Give away a decent show, then sell one of better quality. Seems to work for everyone else, so...
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d How much would I pay? I hate to say it, but $0.
There are just too many other good choices for entertainment programming today, many of which are (in my opinion) of equal or better quality.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I see no point of spending some $200 of my money just to be priviledged to listen to a 128k stream. In regards to the bottom line, it doesn't make sense.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d "I cannot see those in England, Austrailia, NZ, Canada or elsewhere where English/American comedy music is enjoyed buying a membership when all they would know would be the CD collections and not the radio shows."
Oh I don't know, Tim - I've been a member of the fan club for a number of years and I would pay for downloads - Quite a few of my friends have "borrowed" my collection of Dr D Shows and enjoyed them, because we don't get anything like that over here.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d As you can see below and elsewhere I have supported the $2 if you get the good quality stream (128-44-S) on an ala-carte basis, buy the ones that interest you. Better if you could download them. If that was done for this past Christmas season, I think drdemento.com would have seen a significant rise in purchases. Without it, hear at The Mad Music Archive there is also a collection of Christmas Music shows, for free at 128-44-S. The amount of traffic here for the holiday shows (Christmas and Haloween before) was significantly more that now, just after the new year.
I cannot see those in England, Austrailia, NZ, Canada or elsewhere where English/American comedy music is enjoyed buying a membership when all they would know would be the CD collections and not the radio shows.
-Tim
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Three bottle caps, two box tops... no wait that's Junior Birdman....
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Let me reverse this question.
How much does the Dr. make from each listener on the radio?
I have no idea, but I would be supprised if it were more than $1.
Of course you never really know how many people are listening, but someone is making estimates.
Anyway, if I could download 128k mp3s I would pay $0.50 per show I think. I have never paid for the mp3s at $2. Too much for me.
Maybe the good Dr. should have free mp3s that include the comercials?
Then it would be much like radio.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d A $10 maybe $15 a month would do it for me to have a high quality download. If I was charged per show I would always take a look at the playlist and see if it contained any new music. I love Barry and all but it is the music he pics that draws me to his show. If I own every song on his show I can do better with my mp3 player on shuffle. If there is only a song or two new on his show I would consider buying the songs instead of the show. Because I am a cost benefit bastard. (And I own ever weird al, cd so if he stopped playing him it wouldn't affect me much)
If the good doctor was to take my advice I would tell him this.
Make your web sight look professional. Offer the low quality streaming music of the latest show for free. Offer a high quality streaming show to members of the fan club. Sell old shows for $2 each. Make his web sight the be all and end all of demented music. Aka what the mad music archive is becoming.
His new position would be the center hub of comedy music. With his current star power he could unite comedy music and make it a force in music. The fact that the fump needs to exist when Barry has his finger on the pulse means he is missing the mark. When comedy music unites and shows that it is a market clear channel will come with wallets in hand. Clear channel had a formula that turns music into money. If you simply show them there is a formula that turns comedy music into money they will start using it. There not smart enough to make there own formula.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I wouldn't mind paying the $14.95 a month for the DOC membership....IF I could get the programs as a high quality download. Like just about everyone else, I'd rather have something I could put on my mp3 player and take with, than something I can just listen to once all at once.
I hope something can be worked out! I miss the Dr Demento show!
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I'd pay the two bucks, but I can understand why others wouldn't. Unfortunately, we're very used to the idea of radio being free, or close to it. A Sirius satellite radio subscription is $12.95 a month and you can listen to comedy recordings all day if you like on two channels; however, there are commercials galore, and obnoxious ones at that. I agree that I can't imagine the show being successful on the internet without the ability to capture, save and replay it—but that scenario is not likely to appeal to advertisers who don't wish to have their messages bypassed.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I'd pay a couple bucks a show if it were at 128kbps or better. Would prefer that it be a podcast (so I don't have to be tethered to the computer to listen to it) but I have software which will MP3-ize anything played through my sound card, so it really doesn't matter.
FWIW, I DO sympathize with "Dr D" and to a much lesser extent the agencies which license music in this country. Dr Demento, like so many others in the media, is being squeezed by forces he could not foresee and for which he is poorly equipped to deal. On the one hand, he has the old "suits" in the music business who believe that lawyers will somehow reverse the tide of technology that's permitted file-sharing and offshore downloading services become an essential way in which music is distributed in this country. On the other hand, he has his loyal fan base...his "customers"...who have come to expect music that, if not altogether free, costs pennies, not dollars, per track.
It's a sad deal for everybody, really...
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I actaully thought some of the commercials on Dr Demento were quite funny so I don't think that would bother me either.
--- Loop
Personally I would not buy it, because I think Waynes show is better,
now if Dr Demento had a free download with comercials I would listen to it.
I honestly dont mind comercials
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Personally I would not buy it, because I think Waynes show is better,
now if Dr Demento had a free download with comercials I would listen to it.
I honestly dont mind comercials
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d $2.00 per show for a 128k download works for me.
I also won't be tied to my computer for a show streamed. Besides the inconvenience of being tied to one place, there's also the problem of things like web traffic and connection issues that can (at times) make streaming a hit or miss situation.
I say let the radio stations stream the show, but offer a good quality download for a fair price. I don't even mind if they leave the national advertiser's ads intact. After all, they help pay the bills.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d 2 clams a show would be okay if only the stream is high-quality, like 128k or above. You see this way we can use stream ripper software to save it as an mp3 file for later use on an ipod or something.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d It's hard for me to want to pay anything to Dr Demento because his website doesn't sell my CDs and he doesn't buy my CDs.
Also my audiance doesn't really request my songs when Dr Demento does play them(but prove me wrong and request Scum Always Rises at the Top or Scary Techno song # 5006(The Remix) with Michael Hill aka That Guy at www.clamhead.com/drd.php)
Plus I think with all the things that Dr Demento already sells(including the 30th aniversity collection which I bought but it got lost because I borrowed it to my sister) I think he must have alot of money already.
Infact if Dr Demento ever is broke I'm sure(Do I dare say this ?)he can always sell apart of his collection(Okay maybe this was like saying a swear word).
XM was stupid to let him go because what do you have now with XM ?
I can't believe Clear Channel doesn't pick him up.
In all of this I don't blame Dr Demento.
I Blame XM and Clear Channel and Big Business for not giving the fans what they want.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, I'd pay the current price they have right now, $2.
But I'd want the bitrate to be at least 128, preferably 192.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Tom, how can ASCAP and BMI speak for the RIAA?
The PROs are (ostensibly) paying artists royalties from radio play and Internet streaming.
I understood downloads are the digital version of mechanicals, which refer to actual sales of CDs and mp3s. ASCAP and BMI are not involved there, but the labels are.
I hope Wayne will provide further details.
kenturetzky.com
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d ASCAP and BMI offer podcast licenses which take care of this. I believe this is what Wayne uses for his show. The labels and artists don't need to be involved.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Without approval by the artists and their record labels, Dr. Demento can't legally offer downloads, no matter what you're willing to pay.
Streaming audio requires only royalty payments, as DT well knows. Downloads are a completely different story.
This is something every podcaster should keep in mind.
kenturetzky.com
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I would pay the $2 per show if it was offered as a download. I don't have time to sit in front of my computer for 2 hours to just listen to a show. I listen to all of my music these days on my iPod. If it's not on my iPod then I don't listen to it.
$2 per show would be $8 per month. I'd love to see a monthly subscription which got you all the weekly downloads automatically via RSS for like $7.50/mo. That wouldn't include access to past episodes or the chat rooms or the other DOC benefits.
->Later.....Spice
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I have been a member of the Demento Online Club since last December when I was pleasantly surprised to see the show was still on the air.
The 96 kbps streams for DOC members is very good. In fact, to my ears, it sounds just as good, if not better then most 128 kbps podcasts I have heard. I don't know if that's because of having better source material, the compression method used, or it's just my mind playing tricks on me.
Being able to choose 2 shows from the archive plus receiving the current show each week brings down the cost per show to a bit over $1, plus periodically chatting with Dr. D in his chat room. For $14.95, I believe this has been a fair price.
My biggest problem now with the DOC is the limited selection of shows being offered at 96 kbps. I have almost listened to every show offered at that bit rate, and not to crazy about streaming the 40 kbps shows. I like Tim's suggestions for additional unique shows exclusive to DOC club members, and the idea of adding a little something extra to the weekly shows for DOC members only. I know Talonian has been trying very hard to strike a deal with WestWood One, but WWO has shown no interest (according to an email correspondence I had with AWC a few months ago asking about this).
I would very much like Dr. Demento's show to survive and will continue to support it, as I have also supported the MMA with donations. I wish we could declare the Dr. Demento show "an endangered species" so he would receive government funds to protect it. I think his show would fit very well with commercial free NPR.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I would pay $2 per show for a 128k-quality MP3 (stream or download). That is, on a buy 1 at-a-time ala-carte basis.
For a $16 per month subscription, I would expect not only the 4 or 5 new shows a month (128-44-S), but access to a old show library that is growing on a regular basis and access to member only shows.
Member only shows need not be the two uncensored shows, they can be much more, including things like an all-trains show, Dr. Demento interviews Barry Hansen on his Cruise through The Blues, the recording boom after WWII, the great Rock & Roll radio novelty record crazes of the late 50's and early 60's and re-assembly of the Tom Lehrer interview shows from the raw tapes doc made in Boston (not a WWO studio).
Yes, the number of shows one could listen to out of the old show library in a month would have to be limited, otherwise there would be those that join for a few months, leave and maybe come back later for another big gulp.
We have come to the point where half of all syndicated Dr. Demento shows are under Dr. D's control. If these shows helped Dr. Demento show that his internet thing can make money, maybe WestWood One would be more interested in a piece of the action.
It has been since July 22, 2006 that anything was added to the old show library and since May, 2006 that a member-only show was put up.
128-44-S is what had been in use for mp3s. It is also near FM quality. It's advantage is that it is not broadcast compressed, so in some ways can sound better than FM.
96-44-S is less than FM quality.
40-16-S is less than short wave fidelity.
56-44-Mono could work for dial-up connections, 40-44-Mono might also be workable, but I would like some stats on how many people with $15 a month dial-up plans are buying shows at the low fidelity rate so they can hear it.
-Tim
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I'd gladly pay the current price, but I would not accept anything less that a 64 kps bit rate.
Alex.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I agree. I think that he should also offer a monthly subscription of $9.95 to listen to up to 10 shows.....Pete
--- DJ Particle
I would gladly pay $2 per show for a 128k-quality stream or MP3.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks Emi. I added the phrase High Quality to the question.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d I think the current pay rate ($2 per) is fine, but not the current stream/MP3 bitrate (which, last I knew, was 22kbps...not even AM-radio quality).
I would gladly pay $2 per show for a 128k-quality stream or MP3.
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fjrigjwwe9r2threads:MessageText fiogf49gjkf0d Please be honest. If the answer is zero, put zero. But answer truthfully...
How much would you be willing to pay PER WEEK to get an High Quality MP3 copy of the FULL Dr. Demento Show, minus commercials, to take with you to listen wherever and whenever you wanted?
Please post your answer with maybe one or two sentences saying why. I'm just trying to find the average.
Thanks!
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