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Topic: Question about Artist Titling

Started by: davidtanny

Madmike   Offline  -  Artist  -  10-08-15 02:45 PM  -  8 years ago
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The big issue here is several artists may release the same song on there cd when they made equal contributions or even if they both just thought is was cool. In a contract world things have clear owners, but in a non contract music world lines blur.

This takes us back to the same problem.
Stavro Arrgolus   Offline  -  Editor, MP3  -  10-07-15 01:17 PM  -  8 years ago
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Hmm...

This site's song pages aren't set up to make such a change. We purposely made the pages more artist oriented when they were redone 5 or so years ago.

The artist plus whoever is contributing to the song appears on the artist line and links to their main artist page AND can link to the collaborating artist page through a 'see also' box that's automatically added as long as both artist names appear (spelled identically as on the song page) in their 'members' box on their respective artist pages.

All this allows the site's visitors to see & hear more of as many artist's work as possible, thus further promoting the dementia genre...or that was the idea, anyway.

To answer the first question, no, it's not consistent.

What will happen quite often will be that duets and just songs with featured artists (whether the title uses 'and' 'with' or 'featuring' mostly doesn't enter into it) will end up with their own extra page being generated because of title differences - something I'd like to avoid. The aforementioned 'see also' feature can be employed by making sure songs with multiple artists are credited to the main artist. Then as long as the other 'featured' artist has their name in the member box on their artist page, it will link automatically. Like this: www.madmusic.com/artist_details.aspx?ArtistID=1095

A newly added FuMP song or a new tune from Dr. D will have its title transferred here the way it appeared on a playlist or site and if there's no consistency there, there'll be none here. But then we can't tell people how to word their song titles now, can we?

What we can do is to fix titles that differ greatly from one source or another. Duplicate pages are often generated because of this (very annoying), so it another thing to avoid. And by 'fix titles', I mean decide which title the site will use when there's inconsistency in them.

When I make a show (HA!), I use the 'perform show research' function on the admin menu when the script is assembled so that I never make a duplicate. Of course, this doesn't tell me if there are duplicates of a song or not. The only way to find those is to do what I did in 2007 is to go to the song list, start with 'A' and go down the whole 56,700 or so list, merging them as they're found. A sizable task in itself and one that probably needs repeating by now...maybe after Xmas.
jmanforever   Offline  -  Member  -  10-06-15 08:55 PM  -  8 years ago
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We at KFKX Radio have been asking this same question for a few years now, and finally I got an answer from our streaming service provider on how THEY want it to be done, and how RDS (radio data service) systems want it to be done, and it goes like this:

The "Artist" is: Who's album it is on? ...or who released it?
The "Song Title" is the title PLUS any featured artists, behind the " - feat." symbol.

As examples of such, we are currently running:

Song: Outside - feat. Joe Walsh
Artist: Foo Fighters
Album: Sonic Highways

Song: Dangerous - feat. Joywave
Artist: Big Data
Album: 1.0 EP

Song: Hurricane - feat. 3OH!3
Artist: Blues Traveler
Album: Blow up the Moon

The only time you should have 2 artists listed with the "AND" or "WITH" is if the entire album is a duet album, such as "Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton", "Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga", or "Waylon and Willie".

So that seems to be the standard of the broadcast industry.

...hope this helps.

UPDATE - Another just added, and with another twist:

Song: Sirens - feat. Dirty Heads
Artist: Sublime with Rome
Album: Sirens

In this case "Sublime with Rome" is the full name of the act. That's a LONG story... Google it.
davidtanny   Offline  -  Artist & D.J.  -  10-03-15 10:08 PM  -  8 years ago
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What's the difference between

Artist One featuring Artist Two
Artist One with Artist Two
Artist One and Artist Two

Is there a way there can be some consistency in crediting different versions of songs with the same two artists? A studio mix of Flight Check has Devo Spice FEAT Insane Ian while the live mix of it has Devo Spice AND Insane Ian. What'
s the difference between "Featuring", "With", and "And"?

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